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BRANDED
11:17 Thu Mar 17
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Vexed.
Are you saying NO politician and NO teacher ever did anything valuable ever?
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zebthecat
11:04 Thu Mar 17
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overbyyer 7:18 Wed Mar 16
That goes to the heart of everything that is wrong with our politics. It is government by vacuous soundbite rather than reason and evidence. A government squeeks in by polling (for instance) 24.9% of the popular vote and then feels entitled to fuck around with institutions that work for no better reason than it suits their politics and in the face of the evidence. Why force institutions that are doing well into disruptive (and expensive) change? Oh, and "because I say so" is not an acceptable answer.
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Vexed
10:24 Thu Mar 17
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I fucking hate this government. I also hate teachers. Sadly there is no viable alternative to either.
Cunts.
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penners28
9:58 Thu Mar 17
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LAF, i dont think teachers are lazy at all. Read my posts.
I also didnt mention holidays? Plus i didnt bring up the hours worked argument. I was reply to one of you accusing public sector office staff of working 40 hrs.
Then the name calling started...from one of you.
My point was, from experience as a governer at a local school, is that you lot dont have moan a lot. True, some of the points are valid, however moaning about your pensions gets peoples backs up who work in the private sector.
Talk to a soldier if you want to find out about long hrs and poor working conditions.
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Fifth Column
9:32 Thu Mar 17
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Infidel
No, you wouldn't fire any teacher that goes on strike.
For one thing, there is a shortage of teachers, you immediately increase that shortage by firing striking teachers. More teachers would then leave as a result of the fact teachers were being sacked for striking and the whole system would fall apart.
You can't just train up teachers in ten minutes - though now I think about it that's probably what you believe.
As I explained lower down this thread - I did the job for 12 months and having done a lot of responsible and supposedly stressful jobs outside of the public sector, I can honestly say teaching was the hardest, most stressful, thankless job you can do. If you think it's easy or teachers are lazy etc you really don't have a clue.
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Fifth Column
9:28 Thu Mar 17
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Stomper
Basically they become independent of the local council and instead because directly answerable to the Secretary of State for Education.
The government call it "decentralising" even though actually it means they are not answerable to local people through local Council elections and instead only have to report directly to Education Department in Whitehall.
It's basically a way of the government removing any control from local councils and reducing union power. You may or may not support those aims but either way the idea it's about standards or decentralisation is bollocks.
And academies have to be backed by private businesses in a token manner - basically means private businesses can make a profit from schools. Blair loved them and now the Tories and finishing the job.
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stomper
2:40 Thu Mar 17
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Honest question from an expat interested in education.
What does it mean if a school becomes an academy?
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Hermit Road
8:50 Wed Mar 16
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A8 is
THE SLOGANATOR.
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overbyyer
7:18 Wed Mar 16
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After 8 11.32
"reform must continue"
Have you got that tattooed on the inside of your eyelids?
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Hermit Road
7:03 Wed Mar 16
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Infidel sometimes has an informed opinion on economics, everything else is pure, unadulterated horse shit.
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LAF
7:00 Wed Mar 16
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Penners: you annoy me with your wide sweeping statements. It's an unsatisfactory argument to compare one profession with another and squabbling about who works hardest. Pointless. I would say this though: read your news and you'll know that there is a teacher shortage right now. If it's so dandy, what with the cushy holidays etc, why aren't we being engulfed by applicants? Let me answer that: any young university leaver is having a good look around and weighing up the pros and cons and swerving away from the teaching profession. If I provided you with a list of the reasons why, I'd be accused of moaning, so better not. You just carry on knocking us.
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Mad Dog
6:38 Wed Mar 16
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200 moany teachers
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mashed in maryland
6:10 Wed Mar 16
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I reckon that unless a teacher is making a concerted effort to indoctrinate a child/pupil with their own views then it's not a problem tbh.
I'd question the ideology behind things like black history month and things like teaching things like the now universally accepted "fact" that Hitler refused to shake Jesse Owens' hand cos he was black, but I think most people even at that age are bright enough to do their own research and work things out for themselves.
Leads to a possibly interesting or controversial discussion I suppose... should school teachers have any right or duty to instill "moral" or "social" values in kids?
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BRANDED
6:04 Wed Mar 16
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Views are views. I decided by the age of 7 that Christianity was a load of nonsense. Give kids some kind of credit. Religion can bind a society together in a way that even a pub can't do and that's why they can be successful but in a modern democracy anyone following a religion by the age of 10 must be a bit immature.
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the exile
5:57 Wed Mar 16
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mashed
That is hilarious. In contrast to your RE teacher, I remember mine, who was a Rev., explaining away the feeding of the 5000 by saying "Well, the loaves were very big in those days."
Seriously though, any teacher, especially RE teachers, should keep their religious or political views to themselves. Otherwise they are being very unprofessional and ought to get into trouble for it.
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Barnet Steve
5:48 Wed Mar 16
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So if teachers are being exploited, what can they do, Infidel? Answer that?
My wife has never striked in her six years and there is never any pressure from her union to do so. Nevertheless, the way teachers are pressured into extra duties and the hours she puts in indicates that something's not right.
So how does she stick up for herself exactly? Just take it and hope it gets better? Or leave and make things even worse?
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the exile
5:48 Wed Mar 16
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Infidel
The only part of my original post that could remotely be labelled "socialist claptrap" was the bit about academy bosses lining their pockets (already happening) and Wilshaw being replaced. (It'll happen - just watch.)
For your information, I was at one time a union rep but I have never been on strike and a few years ago I resigned and left the union because of the strike and also because of the way I thought they were wasting some of the money they get from members' fees. Is that socialist enough for you?
As for teachers being overworked, simple - try it yourself before you think you're qualified to have a pop.
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13 Brentford Rd
5:34 Wed Mar 16
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Ag ag.........
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BRANDED
5:32 Wed Mar 16
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Infidel you're on here all day long. Go and do some fucking work.
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13 Brentford Rd
5:29 Wed Mar 16
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How do you know that you work harder than any teacher?
Also teaching is not the only job in education.
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Infidel
5:27 Wed Mar 16
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the exile
You wrote that the Chief Inspector of Schools would likely be replaced by a 'Tory puppet'and clearly implied that that's the sort of thing evil Tories do.
Your original post oozed socialist claptrap.
You say you are all professionals and would never let the students know your politics but the teaching unions oppose every reform, no matter how sensible, and go on strike at the drop of a hat. You parade your socialism openly every time you do that.
I would fire every teacher that goes on strike. It damages the children whose interests they are there to serve and I'm fed up with the argument that you're all overworked. I work much harder than any teacher and I had only two weeks holiday last year.
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